tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC November 17, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PST
you to whom i sent the book and demanded you must read. john lewis, national book award recipient. best new thing in the world. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> rachel, let me check on my volume here. something's got to be wrong. i heard you say, you sent the book to 14 zillion people, right? >> i was rounding down, so my accountant wouldn't hear me, yes. >> i don't -- i don't seem to have it anywhere here. rachel, i'm a floor away. i just -- >> i'll hook you up. i will hook you up. >> all right. so i didn't mishear, it was 14 zillion and i wasn't one of the 14 zillion. >> i will hook you up, before i leave the building tonight. >> thank you, rachel. >> thank you, lawrence. >> well, mitt romney called donald trump a phony and a fraud and now mitt romney has been called to trump tower to meet with the man himself about the possibility of him being his secretary of state, because if you're trying to choose a cabinet from republicans who
haven't called donald trump a phony and a fraud, there just aren't enough people. >> i see from the level of my xanax bottle, it's been a week since the election of donald trump. >> thank you very much, everybody. >> in the united states of america, eight years, and that's it, out goes the president and a new one comes in. >> he ran an extraordinarily unconventional campaign. >> we're going to build a wall! >> he now has to transition to governance. >> i think these conversations are always best in private, particularly when you're forming a cabinet. >> it's going to be a solid gold cabinet, full of all the finest snacks. >> trump is not draining the swamp. nope, he's inviting the biggest, ugliest swamp monsters in the front door. >> it's very humbling to me being back in a room i spent 12 years as a member of congress in. >> no disrespect for the sensitivity of the president-elect, you know the territory. so in that territory, we'll try to find our common ground where we can.
>> this fight has never been easy. >> do not take for granted our systems of government and our way of life. >> we're fighting against thousands of years of human behavior and history to create something that no one's ever -- that's what's exceptional about america. it's an incredible thing. donald trump and his transition team are doing everything they possibly can to change the message about what they're looking for during the transition, with the appointment of reince priebus and steve bannon to the white house staff, and the ap reporting tonight that donald trump has offered general michael flynn the job of national security adviser, the message has been clear. loyalty is everything. when the trump team bloated the name rudy giuliani for secretary of state, it was obvious that loyalty meant everything, because rudy giuliani has no qualifications for secretary of state. has no foreign policy experience. but today, the trump team
dramatically reversed that message by floating the name mitt romney for secretary of state. mitt romney is scheduled to meet donald trump on sunday. the same mitt romney who did everything he could to prevent donald trump from become president of the united states. >> he's not of the temperament of the kind of stable, thoughtful person we need as leader. his imagination must not be married to real power. think of donald trump's personal qualities. the bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third grade theatrics. donald trump is a phony, a fraud. his promises are as worthless as a degree from trump university. >> and here's what donald trump had to say about the man who
might be his secretary of state. >> i backed mitt romney, i backed him, you can see how loyal he is. he was begging for my endorsement. i could have said, mitt, drop to your knees, he would have dropped to his knees. he was begging. true. true. >> so, is mitt romney going to have to drop to his knees on sunday? isn't that going to be the first question asked about the meeting after it happens, did mitt romney drop to his knees and does donald trump mean drop to his knees or does donald trump mean -- is the meeting with mitt romney donald trump's way trying to show that he's not as bad a person as the character he played during the campaign, the character he played for all those gullible voters who believe that mexico is going to pay for the wall? is that why he met with south carolina governor nikki haley today, after donald trump won her state primary, governor nikki haley said, donald trump is everything we teach our kids not to do in kindergarten.
initial rumors indicated that nikki haley might be up for secretary of state, but new reporting from nbc news is she might be up for health and human services or education secretary, which makes a lot more sense for someone with no foreign policy experience. the obama administration confirmed today that the trump transition team has officially authorized individuals to begin receiving briefings and other materials from our transition teams at select agencies. we respect to receive additional names for a wider range of agencies. the trump transition team is now officially represented at the state department and the department of defense, but the trump team has no one at the treasury yet, no one at the department of labor, the commission on civil rights, the national transportation safety board or the office of government ethics or the securities and exchange commission or the social security administration or the commission on international religious freedom. now, i didn't know that there was a commission on international religious freedom
until i found it in my plum book, the book i've been showing you all week that contains all the jobs, subject to presidential appointment, slang term for it in washington is the plum book. you're supposed to look for it and find the plum you want. and the agencies i just mentioned are the tip of the iceberg of all the places in the government that the trump transition is so far ignoring. and it's hard to imagine anything good for america is going to happen when the trump team does invade the equal opportunity commission or the securities and exchange commission. so let's not complain about how slowly the trump team is moving. if newt gingrich killed speculation that he might be in line for a government post. i have long said that newt gingrich couldn't survive the process. today he confirmed to nbc news that he will not be in donald trump's comment.
he said, i want to focus on strategic planning for the emerging republican majority from local government through the executive branch. translation? newt gingrich will be watching the trump administration from a fox news studio between adventures on the paid lecture circumstance. newt gingrich was reprimanded while he was speaker of the house in 1997, the first speaker of the house to be punished by the house for an ethics violation. newt gingrich taught a course at reinhart college in wleska georgia while he was a member of congress and accepted campaign contributions on the condition that he would teach certain ideas, favored by the industry group that made that contribution. a republican-controlled house of representatives voted overwhelming to reprimand their own republican speaker. the vote was 395-28 to reprimand
newt gingrich and fine him $300,000. newt gingrich's marital life has been a repeated cycle of marriage, affairs, divorce, marriage again, then another affair, then another divorce, then another marriage to the person he was just having an affair with and so on. it is unlikely that any of that would come up at a confirmation hearing, but would all be detailed in the fbi background check report about newt gingrich that members of the committee would read. but there would be no reason to mention it at the confirmation hearing, because when you have someone who was reprimanded and fined by the house of representatives sitting in your confirmation hearing, that's pretty much all you're going to talk about, which is why we've never had somebody who's been reprimanded by the house ethics committee, because no president has ever been that crazy. we don't know. if donald trump is that crazy, because the most likely scenario here is that newt gingrich, knowing more about the
congressman than anyone else on the trump team, figured this out for himself. whether he heard me say it on tv or not, he figured it out for himself that there's no way that he could get through a senate confirmation. cabinet nominees like nikki haley and mitt romney would probably have smooth confirmation hearings right up until the democrats got to ask questions and ask them about what, if any, contact they have had with steve bannon, who is never going to become old news for opponents of trump white house. joining us now, eugene robinson, pulitzer prize winning opinion writer for "the washington post" and steve schmidt, a republican strategist and msnbc political analyst. steve, it looks like there's a message shift here away from, loyalty is everything. >> there is. one of the promises that donald trump made during the campaign is that he was going to fill the government with the very best people in the country.
and one of the things he said in his election night speech is that he was going to be president for all of the people, including people who disagreed with him, including people that were opponents. now, when you look at the first prospective hundred, 150 days of the administration, they can pass a legislative agenda or they can be in a nominations quagmire if they nominate some people that may not get through the process. the republicans are in the majority, but it's a small majority. they can afford to lose three votes. and you can think of any of a dozen of the names that have been floated for attorney general, for secretary of state, for secretary of defense. they just may not have the votes on the republican side to be able to make it through. so if he nominates people of exceptional quality, and i would put governor romney squarely into that category, he would be
a fantastic pick to be the united states secretary of state, this would be a good sign. it's a good sign for the administration, it's a good sign for the country. i do think you're seeing him play like a cat does with a mouse with the media on this, as they're floating everybody out there. the truth of the matter is, we just don't have any idea who's going to be nominated for what in any of these positions, and soon enough, we'll find out. >> gene robinson, the notion of mitt romney is one of the first that makes sense. he would have been on any republican's list for very high-level cabinet posts. and is it, will it prove to be a shift away from the bannon approach to staffing? >> well, i guess, it could be. i'm extremely skeptical that mitt romney will ever be nominated by donald trump to be
secretary of state, despite the meeting. i've been proved wrong about donald trump before, so maybe he will. but can you imagine the discussion they would have, for example, about russia? and vladimir putin? mitt romney, if you recall, four years ago, said, you know, russia is the number one threat to u.s. security and was laughed out. he turned out to have a point. and donald trump, of course, says, hey, let's get together with putin and we can work together and sing kumbaya and it will all be fine. so just on that basis alone, i don't see how these two men could work together and i don't see how mitt romney would agree to subsume his views about foreign policy to donald trump's ignorance about foreign policy. >> now, we're going to listen to something steve bannon said about mitt romney a couple of years ago and i want to stress to everyone listening that this is about mitt romney. he is not talking about donald trump. just remember that.
he's -- steve bannon's talking about mitt romney. listen to this. >> this is a guy who avoided military duty in vietnam, who have five sons who look like movie stars, who have not served their country one day. oh, but by the way, all of them did their two years of mormon missionary work. every one of them. >> so, steve, he could have said the same thing about donald trump, who voided military duty during vietnam and donald trump's sons, but he could not say that donald trump's sons ever did any kind of missionary duty for anyone. >> no, he couldn't. you know. i mean, donald trump had a serious bone spur issue. >> right. but this is the team that they're talking about the possibility of assembling, putting mitt romney in the same room as a guy who has said this about him. mitt romney in the same room with the president, who he has said is a fraud. >> sooner or later in this
administration, if it has any chance to be successful, there will be people in the cabinet, maybe not in the first wave and maybe not in the second wave, but certainly by the third wave, who have said bad things about donald trump. and were skeptical about his presidency, about his candidacy. and i think that donald trump would be well served to show in victory magnanimity, to be able to reach out to those who have opposed him. and also, i think, to work with democrats in the congress, for example, on the infrastructure package. i mean, one of the things that's very clear is that when he talks about a $1 trillion infrastructure package, he may not have met very many members of the republican conference, but they are -- they're not for that stuff and he's going to have to work with democrats to get that part of his agenda done. he's going to be reaching out to a lot of people who have been very, very critical of him if he's going to get anything done.
>> we have some breaking news, we're going to go by phone to cnbc's phil lebeau. phil, what are you reporting tonight? >> reporter: lawrence, this has to do with a tweet that was sent out by president-elect donald trump and, essentially what he said in the tweet was, had a pleasant conversation with bill ford, who is the chairman of the ford motor company. good news, they're not moving lincoln production to mexico, staying in kentucky. at first blush, if you saw this tweet, you would think that ford, who has been bashed over the last year by donald trump for its plans to move small car production to mexico, at first blush, you would think that ford is reversing course. is deciding that, you know, instead of building these small cars in mexico, we're going to build them in kentucky. well, we've chased this down. and most people we've talked to in the ford motor company, they're scratching their heads, because the plan for future production of vehicles in mexico
never involved moving a lincoln model down. a small plant outside of detroit and taking those assembly lines and building a new suv and a new small pickup, not losing any jobs in michigan. so near as we can tell, this is a tweet where donald trump is perhaps taking a con grangtory call from bill ford, and in the course of that conversation, this is purely deduction, in the court of that conversation, perhaps bill ford said, look, we have no further plans that what we've already announced to move further production to mexico. these vehicles that are built in the u.s. are staying in the u.s. that include x, y, and z. the lincoln mkz is built at the louisville assembly plant, it's staying there, and perhaps donald trump said, okay, great, i've made my point. that's as much as we can tell at this point, lawrence. because it's one of those tweets that have people in the auto industry scratching their heads
a bit, because ford never said it was moving the lib conn suv out of kentucky and down to mexico. >> phil, thanks for that. my first reaction was, i don't remember ford ever saying they were moving any assets out of kentucky or closing any assets in kentucky or any assets having to do with lincoln. so those are the two specifics in the tweet, is lincoln and kentucky, and you're telling us that there's never been a ford motor company plan to move anything from there. >> reporter: correct. correct. the lincoln mkz is built at the louisville assembly plant, it's where they build their suvs, not just for lincoln, but for ford models, and the plan is to continue building those there. unless something radical has changed in the last couple of hours, and believe me, you would start to hear from union representatives and other people if that were the case, near as we can tell, there is no plan to move lincoln production down to
mexico, never was. >> cnbc's phil lebeau, thank you very much for chasing that one down, phil. this confirms what i suspected walking into the studio tonight. thank you, phil. >> reporter: you bet. >> so eugene robinson, this is one of the reasons that a white house very carefully monitoring any outgoing messages about anything in the world. whether it's in kentucky or whether it's in a foreign country. but donald trump with the twitter machine just let's it fly. >> yeah, you know, imagine if he's president of the -- when he's president of the united states, if he sends out a tweet like that about where missiles are being moved in europe, for example. you know, and, oh, you know, no missiles in poland or something like that. that is not the first time donald trump has used twitter to take credit for things that he had no involvement in or things that were, indeed, of his imagination.
and i anticipate, and i certainly hope, that once he gets to the white house, they'll get the phone away from hum and we won't have to risk international incidents over this sort of thing. >> but steve, in the new world order, does this do donald trump any harm at all? with his million of twitter followers who get this, most of them at this moment be watching this show and see a correction of it. they may never see a correction of it. this tweet is their truth. >> here's the larger issue. and this hasn't been reported, and i don't mean to come on the show and break news, but this is not the first ceo he has had conversations with as president-elect regarding offshoring jobs outside oaf american jurisdiction. i think you're going to see a president of the united states so, when he reads in the paper that company x is moving y jobs to mexico, to vietnam, the ceo is going to get a call from the
president of the united states and say, don't do it. and i think he's going to be very interventionist in a very unusual way in this space. and he's already made some of these calls to some ceos, as president-elect. and this aspect of his candidacy, fighting for these blue collar jobs in states that have been forgotten, have been left behind, whose voters have been paid lip service by politicians of both parties, i think it's going to be exciting for these voters, it's going to be invigorating to them, and i think it's going to fuel his popularity with them. >> we're joined by rick wilson, joining this breaking news conversation, about the news that donald trump's announcement tonight that ford motor company will not be moving the lincoln plant in kentucky to mexico, is not news since ford motor company never had any intention of making such a move.
and i just want to get your reaction to this cycle, where donald trump tweets something out to his followers, who don't have fact checking tools immediately handy at home. the fact checking is done, turns out to be false, but in trump world, what is the truth? >> everything's in the rearview mirror in trump world. and, you know, i'm sure he had a conversation. i think the characterization someone made a moment ago was correct. it was a congratulatory call and he decided he would make himself the hero of this little narrative, even though there was no basis of it. either he misinterpreted it, or he's being a fabulous, either one of those things is easily believable. but i think steve is largely right. you know, that's a narrative he's going to want to push out there, truth or not, because he recognizes that a lot of the blue collar workers that have come out for him, particularly in the midwest and in the
industrial belt, are going to find this story very appealing, even if it wasn't real. >> gene robinson, the other piece of the story is that by the time donald trump reads a piece in the "wall street journal" about a plant that's going to be closing down in some state and open another one in mexico, it's too late for the president to do anything about that and his dream of suddenly imposing a tariff on that one company in that one country is impossible. it's not a presidential power. and congress has never imposed a tariff on an individual company, nor can they do that. so the power that he imagines he has, he doesn't have. >> he doesn't have the power to do that, he zruz the bully pulpit or will have the bully pulpit of the presidency. and as steve schmidt certainly implied and i think was saying, that's a powerful thing. if you get a phone call from the president of the united states
saying don't do this, you know, you have to pay attention, even if that president is donald trump and even if the decision is already made. enough of those phone calls and that just becomes a frkt. it becomes another data point. it becomes something that's in a ceo's mind that, okay, we're going to do this, or i'm going to get a phone call. or maybe there's another way to, you know, another way to handle the issue we're trying to deal with here. maybe we can compensate by creating some jobs in the u.s. that's ideally how this approach from trump will work out. we'll have to see. >> here's the policy implication for this. it's been bankers who have been the target, the target of a regulatory machine, you know, believed -- believed that elizabeth warren was ascendant. bankers will do great. large multinationals, offshoring
jobs are in the crosshairs of the president-elect, of the democratic congress, and corporate america has a big-time target on its back and they have low thresholds for pain. >> we're going to leave it there. eugene robinson, steve schmidt, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. coming up, the president-elect who campaigned that he would be better than hillary clinton at protecting america's secrets has been talking to world leaders on his unsecured personal cell phone. and a donald trump supporter justified a trump proposal to create a registry of muslims by citing the united states' internments of japanese americans during world war ii. one of those americans will join us later.
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big surprise. donald trump is now doing something that he condemned hillary clinton for doing. >> clinton and her cronies are sacrificing your safety and your country's safety as though it meant nothing to her. hillary is the one who endangered national security for you and your family by sending classified information on an insecure server. >> you can do the same thing on an insecure telephone. and that is what donald trump haze done. the australian prime minister, malcolm turnball, called donald
trump on his personal cell phone number. the australian prime minister got that number through have ever unofficial channels. he got it from the australian professional golfer greg norman. news corp. australia reported mr. turnball's office confirmed greg norman passed on donald trump's private mobile number to the prime minister. "the new york times" this week reported american allies were blindly dialling into trump tower, trying to reach the son-to-be-leader of the free world. donald trump met with his first foreign leader today, japan's prime minister, shinzo abe. no word yet on how many american jobs japan agreed to return to the united states. joining us now, rick wilson, republican strategist from the website, heat street. also with us, david frum, senior editor for "the atlantic." so there's donald trump not following protocol. we're way outside the protocol.
>> you know, i'm sure by now, someone's offered him the right equipment, but, obviously, he's a creature of great habit. and i'm sure he's going to just do what he wants to do, regardless. but, you know, national security, although a lot of people think that's where he's going to be strong, it looks increasingly like that's where he's not going to be as strong. >> and david frum, there's a new report tonight, the latest rumor. it's hard to call them leaks, because you're not sure where they're coming from, but the latest rumor, "the guardian" reporting that david petraeus is in the running to be donald trump's secretary of state. david petraeus, former cia director who pleaded guilty to mishandling classified information. and david frum, after a campaign where you attack hillary clinton every day for being reckless with classified information, david petraeus? >> look, i've been saying this all week, people have to stop being so fussy. and you have to stop worrying about little ethical
inconsistencies. if you can get david petraeus into the trump cabinet, be grateful. because the situation is so dangerous. the same thing with mitt romney. there are people who watch the show who have many criticisms of mitt romney. if you can get him, if we could explain to the plkt that the job of the president is to tweet while the secretary of state runs the country, that would be a miracle and a blessing. it's really -- the new -- the likely new national security adviser, michael flynn, was a paid agent of russia and turkey. and took intelligence briefings while being a paid agent. as called for the deportation that led to his death of a person who has received shelter in the united states and the turks want to kill. we have a foreign intelligence penetration of the upper branches of american government gathering. if david petraeus will do this job, forgive him his e-mail infractions, please. >> you win that round, david frum.
anything is better than donald trump. and whoever those generals are who donald trump thinks that he's way smarter than, we don't want any of them. rick wilson, what about lieutenant general flynn and his election, which doesn't require senate confirmation to be the national security adviser. >> as david just pointed out, general flynn is regarded by a lot of folks in the intelligence community as the up the of the spear on what is basically a de facto intelligence penetration by the soviets of our government at the highest level. this is a guy who had cozy dinners with putin. this is a guy who the intelligence agency regarded as not only temperamentally unsuited for the job, but possibly compromised. and he's a danger in a number of areas. the intelligence community is blowing up tonight over the possibility of michael flynn being in one of the most senior and most sensitive positions, who has access to literally
every bit of intelligence product this country produces. >> david, you tweeted today that we should all be studying the 25th amendment. why? >> presidents can be removed in two ways. we have a pretty high bar for what constitutes that. if somebody is simply psychologically or physically capable, there's a process in the constitution, article 4, section 4 of the 25th amendment. i think we're going to be talking about it more and more as we wonder about the mental state of the president-elect. >> all right. we're going to have to leave it there for tonight. david frum and rick william, thank you both. coming up, trump supporters will be disappointed if they're expecting donald trump to keep those promises. most of them are impossible promises. how many broken promises will it take for them to turn on donald
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here is one of the very important promises that donald trump made to his voters. it was about a complicated subject that most voters, trump voters, clinton voters, most voters across the country do not understand, but he repeated it constantly, and it's the way he has promised to bring lost american manufacturing jobs back. here is that promise. >> we're also going to stand up to foreign currency manipulation, which is the single greatest threat that we have on our trade, and there is nobody, nobody that does it better than china. they are grand masters. and we're going to apply tariffs and taxes to countries that cheat. >> it wasn't one of the big applause lines at the rallies, the whole foreign currency manipulation thing, but during the time donald trump has been running for president, the
chinese currency has dropped more than dramatically than it has in years. it has dropped very steeply in recent days, since donald trump won the presidency, and this is not good news for american manufacturing, because it makes chinese goods cheaper on the international market, so it's not good news for people who are afraid of losing manufacturing jobs in the united states, or the trump voters who want to bring manufacturing jobs back to the united states. it's also not good news for the chinese people. it's very bad news for the chinese people who have money, because the value of their money is going down every day. imagine a savings account, where the value of it goes down every day and you haven't withdrawn a penny. and the only way to hold on to that value for the chinese is to use their money to buy something outside of china. in effect, to put their money in a savings account in another currency or adds the very rich chinese do, buy a piece of property in united states, like
maybe an apartment. >> i love the chinese. they buy my apartments for millions. >> so, the sharp drop in the chinese currency is bad for american manufacturing, but american manufacturing jobs, it's bad for the chinese, and it's good for donald trump. and donald trump's children. and his grandchildren. but because donald trump is now the president-elect of the united states, of course he must already be doing battle with the chinese, against his own interests. doing battle with the chinese over this drop in their currency. even though this drop in their currency is due to economic pressures and market forces within china, it does not appear to be a manipulated drop in currency, manipulated by the chinese government. it is, in the view of today's "wall street journal," the most important thing in the world. the most important economic
story in the world. and there it is. on the front page of the "wall street journal," the number one story, right beside the picture of the current vice president shaking hands with the next vice president, there is no comment from donald trump in that story, on the front page of the "wall street journal," but when you follow the story over to page 8, you discover down deep in the middle of the story, this sentence. "representatives for mr. trump could not immediately be reached for comment." that's all it is. all the article has an donald trump. "could not immediately be reached for comment," because, why? they're busy selling apartments to the chinese? donald trump is going to do absolutely nothing about fluctuations in the chinese currency, despite what he said at his rallies, nothing. both because he was never telling the truth about it and because the american president doesn't have the power to do what donald trump wanted to do.
the president cannot raise tariffs on chinese goods. only the congress can do that and they won't. and they won't do it because tariff legislation is too complicated, too complex, it will immediately get bogged down in hundreds of amendments about other trade issues and get trapped in gridlock, and they also won't even attempt to do it, because it will be a mistake. because if we raise tariffs every time a currency fluctuated, we would be raising tariffs every single day. and then every country in the world would do the same to us. them international trade would grind to a halt and we would have a worldwide depression and that's why we won't do donald trump's childish idea. so what happens when donald trump's voters discover that donald trump wasn't telling them the truth about that, about the thing they won't even remember, the chinese currency manipulation? what happens when they discover he's not going to put any tariffs on chinese goods, that he's not going to bring steel manufacturing jobs back from china, that's not going to
happen, donald trump has always abandoned the idea that mexico will pay for the wall, he's asking congress to pay for his wall. what do trump voters think about that. how can will it take for them to feel betrayed? how many broken promises will it take for trump voters to feel betrayed? how long will it take for them to turn on him? that's next. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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build the wall. build the wall. build the wall. build the wall. >> i'm a texan and there's no use in wasting the money on the fence. for two vials of wall, you can get a predator drone. >> joining us now, j.d. nance. you know the trump voter that has become the most interesting trump voter. the one who gave him the
electoral college, in those manufacturing states where they've suffered losses in manufacturing jobs over decades, and they heard an awful lot of promises like that one, the build the wall thing, where, and china's going to pay for the wall. he's already asking congress to pay for the wall. how did they hear the wall story. is mexico paying for the wall an important part of that story or not? >> i think maybe it's an important part of this story, because it shows that trump is willing to say things that are controversial and willing to go after the people who are taking our jobs and so forth. but i actually don't think that among the core sort of average trump voter, that the wall was that important of a part. obviously, it was important for the rallies, as we just saw. but i don't think most people who are voting for trump, average voters, were that concerned about that. >> let's focus on the ones that could go the other way, because republicans have a certain vote they're going to get no matter what. and they tend to get 100% of the racists vote all the time.
it doesn't matter how much racist stuff the candidate actually gives off. but that voter who voted for obama four years ago in some of these manufacturing states, that went with trump this time, apparently over hillary clinton being too closely associated with nafta and policies like that, that they believe hurt them. what do they need to see donald trump do? >> well, i think of it along a couple of dimensions. over the medium term, what they really need to see is some improvements. obviously, trump wasn't super specific about policies. do these opioid policies get better? i think the second dimension that will be really interesting to watch on the domestic policy front is this core tension between 1980s-style conservatism and trump's populism as it unfolds in congress and actual policies that get enacted, because i think if trump becomes too much of a 1980s-style republican in a 21st century
that requires much more complex solutions, i do think that voters may penalize him for that. >> how much time do you think they give him? >> i think they'll give him a few years, at least. one of the things we've seen in this consistent wave of swing elections from 2000 to 2008, and from 2008 to 2016, there is a bit of a grace period. but in 2020, 2024, if these problems, if the trend line continues to get worse, i think they are going to penalize. >> there's a very fragile line of support. both hillary clinton and donald trump got a significant vote from poem who don't like them. but of the voters who didn't like either one of them, trump got the bigger share of that group. and that seems to me to be his most fragile support. >> that's absolutely right. that would suggest they voted for trump not because they liked him, but because they liked
hillary clinton even less, right? so i think one of the takeaways from the republican election or that the republicans' success should not be that this coalition is super stable, because it obviously isn't. >> j.d. vance, thank you for coming in. really appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, george takei gets the last word tonight on donald trump's campaign promise about a registry for muslims. come on, wake up!!! come on, why ya sleepin'? come on! what time is it? it's go time. come on. let's go, let's go, let's go. woooo hoooo!! yeah!! i feel like i went to bed an hour ago. i'll make the cocoa. get a great offer on the car of your grown-up dreams at the mercedes-benz winter event. it's the look on their faces that make it all worthwhile. thank you santa!!! now lease the 2017 c300 for $389 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. can this much love be cleaned by a little bit of dawn ultra? oh yeah
just for sleep. donald trump hasn't mentioned his idea for a national registry of muslims recently, but here's what he said about it last year when he was running for the republican presidential nomination. >> -- track muslims here in this country? >> there should be a lot of systems, beyond databases. we should have a lot of systems. and today you can do it. but right now, we have to have a border. we have to have strength, we have to have a wall. and we cannot let what's happening to this country happen -- >> is that something your white house would like to -- >> i would certainly implement that. absolutely. >> now a trump supporter and a cochair of a super pac that supported donald trump said that japanese american internment in this country in world war ii is a legal precedent for the government maintaining a muslim registry. >> we've done it with iran back a while ago, we did it during world war ii with japanese, which, call it what you will -- >> come on, you're not proposing we go back to the days of internment camps, i hope.
>> no, no, i'm not proposing that at all. >> you know better than to suggest that. that's the kind of stuff that gets people scared, carl. >> right. i'm just saying, there is precedent for it. i'm not saying i agree with it -- >> you can't be citing japanese internment camps as precedent for anything the president-elect is going to do! >> look, the president needs to protect america first. if that means having people who are not protected under our constitution have some kind of registration so we can understand, until we can identify the true threat and where it's coming from, i support it. >> joining us now, george takei, he and his family were held in japanese american internment camps. george, thank you very much for joining us tonight. we wanted to hear your reaction to this as soon as it happened. >> it was shocking, but it was not unexpected from a trump surrogate. mr. higbie used the imprisonment of innocent japanese americans as a precedent. yes, it happened.
but it is not a precedent. it is the most disgraceful chapter of american history. this is a country that believes in order, law. it's a nation of law. we believe in due process. and all of that disappeared. as a matter of fact, in 1988, president ronald reagan had to apologize for the imprisonment of innocent japanese americans during the second world war. we were totally innocent. and yet we were imprisoned, because of racist -- race, bigotry, war hysteria, and the failure of political leadership. that is what happened that made this happen. and here again, they're talking about the political leadership that's about to be is talking about the very same thing, and using us as a precedent. it was a disgrace and a shameful chapter of american history. >> let's listen to some hr of
donald trump's specifics about how he would register muslims in this country. >> specifically, how do you actually get them registered? >> it would be just good management. what you have to do is good management procedures. and we can do that. that's nice. >> do you go to mosques to sign these people up? >> different places. you sign them up at different places, but it's all about management. our country has no management. >> george, obviously he has no idea what he's talking about. you sign them up at different places. he wasn't asked how he would be able to tell what someone's religion is. >> yes, he's going to go by a faith of a people. and register them. registration of any group of people, and certainly registration of muslims, is a prelude to internment. this is something that we cannot have happen again.
it is dangerous and it is a moral bankruptcy. we've got to stand up and resist this. and i would urge all good americans to write to your congressional representatives and the president-elect and tell them that this is not what we stand for as a nation. we are -- we go by the rule of law. and a registry is this simple categorization of a people of one faith. in our country, it was people of one ancestry. we were american citizens, and yet we were -- because we looked like the enemy, we were treated like the enemy and imprisoned. and this is what's going to happen with a muslim registry. and we as americans will not tolerate that again. and we en masse will oppose that. >> and this is something the president-elect could clear up instantly. he could easily issue a statement, a written statement,
just saying, there will absolutely no registry by religion of any kind in this country of any kind. he has people living in fear, american citizens living in fear in this country since election night because of this. what he has to know is that we are a nation of due process. we are a nation that believes that there has to be charges, that can be challenged in a court of law, and then whatever happens, whether it's those people being put on a list. but we do not believe in a sweeping registration simply by faith. in the same way -- >> quickly before we go, prior to this presidential campaign, did you ever dream that you would be publicly discussing something like this, a registry, something like this, in this country?
that this country hadn't learned its lesson in world war ii? >> i just spoke here at penn state, on the internment of japanese americans. i've been doing this all my life, in order to prevent that from recurring again. and yet, you know, deep down inside, i thought i was doing this, planting seeds, so that we won't have this happen again. but now they're saying that this is a precedent. it is not a precedent. it was when our nation was disgraced. our good democracy was smeared, and we will not allow that to happen again. this must not happen again. and we should all let donald trump know in no uncertain ways. >> george takei gets tonight's last word. thank you, george. msnbc's live coverage continues now into the 11th hour with brian williams. that's next.
on sunday, mitt romney who once called trump a phony and a fraud will meet with the president-elect. on the agenda, a big job opening, secretary of state. been made. retired army general mike flynn for national security advisor. that pick has already created controversy "the 11th hour" good evening from our headquarters in new york. from inside trump tower that mitt romney is under consideration for secretary of state. president-elect at trump tow they are weekend. the associated press is reporting tonight that trump has offered the national security advisor job to general mike flynn, retired lieen